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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

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  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  dubstepped-

  Cults exist in our world Yikes

  .and we thought the scary stuff was under our bed
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  simon -

  Strange that you can picture a comedy sketch, but you can't possibly picture a dignified, irrefutable way to extricate yourself quietly and quickly from the authority of a family destroying c--t.
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  Ecclesiastical Authority-

  All committees are convened under WTs' directions and by elders' execution, so they are (as intended) expressions of ecclesiastic authority. They even form a committee (non-judicial) to react to 'Letters of Disassociation'.l

  We want to have exercised our right to Freedoms Conscience & Religion BEFORE they are aware.

  We have specifically invoked freedoms guaranteed under the Constitution.

  We did it peacefully, quietly, without disrupting their practices. (So peacefully they were unaware)

  We (Constitutionally) repudiated the authority of all church law and all elder committees.

  They have no authority over us from that point forward.

  Courts don't care at all about church law UNTIL it violates Constitutional law -then they must care.

  JWs have demanded their freedoms many times - and got them - access to your door, conscientious objectors, no blood, charity status, etc

  We don't need to demand our right to Religous Freedoms we need to exercise the rights we already have.

  Watchtower can and will ignore our declared right (to be Freedom from them).

  They will convene committees and announce names, as if we had not repudiated those very actions of authority.. They will do this as if we were still their dopey sheep well after the date we repudiated their law and authority.

  Each instance of applying their congregations' authority to a self-emancipated nonmember is an indicator of their contempt for the constitutional rights of others.

  It will come back to bite them
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  BluesBrother-

  From your years as an elder, what was the elders response to a letter of resignation? did it trigger a commitee?

  Was there an announcement? and was that announcement to complete/enact a disfellowshipping?
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  Longhairgirl - good to hear from you again.

  As JWs we were conditioned to be cowards and those who truly are will shun without question

  We aren't trying to stop shunning -we are trying to stop the disfellowshipping of voluntary leavers

  If WT/JW goes ahead and takes ecclesiastic action against a nonmember they leave themselves open to a claim of violation of that persons' human rights. That will lead to a human rights tribunal, Jws will lose as they have zero right s to enforce their doctrine and practices on nonmembers
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  Jeff

  .We want people to be able to leave without being disfellowshipped - that's our only goal here

  sign your emancipation document now, (before you fade or leave or draw any attention to yourself)

  You are now emancipated - now a nonmember (see how easy that was?)

  .Ecclesiastic authority can not be exerted on non-members.

  You (now emancipated) can not be disfellowshipped because you are not a church member

  Their ecclesial authority has been preempted by your having already exercised your right to emancipation

  They are no longer your elders so NEVER MEET WITH THEM AGAIN.

  That is no longer your church - you are now just a visitor..
  

  Our emancipation doesn't stop them from practicing their religion on their members-

  Our emancipation has stopped them from practicing their religion on us - by claiming our right to be free of their religion.

  And we have a signed and witnessed document to prove all of this.

  We have nothing to lose by doing this, but much, so very much to gain.
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  Neatbluedog -

  Precedence will be established when a blameless 'Rosa Parks' emerges from among those who sign-up to test drive this approach to leaving - I think many youth will sign as THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO LOSE but much to be gained if their name is never read out .

  As far as I am aware there is no precedent for an actual written invoking of ones' Human Right to Freedom of Conscience to escape a church.

  The very notion of even needing to this is absurd -- but this is not an ordinary c--t,

  I think WT/JW fear Freedom of Conscience claims in the same way employers fear racial discrimination claims.

  The ARC is a perfect example of what happens - that was a demonstration of a tribunal at work in the Australian system and you should know that the same processes apply to tribunals of Human Rights abuses claims.as to the Rights of the Child claims
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  DesirousofChange-

  Elders will be fully aware that they have exactly zero ecclesiastic authority over non-members.

  To disfellowship a non member would be a greater violation of that persons religious rights as to demand a Jew eat a ham sandwich.

  Does not their own policy state that a DFing is effected upon an elders' announcement?

  Failure to follow procedure would embolden families to not shun their kid or kids to not their parent.(sad,sad)

  No announcement = no DF = no shunning is the logic that members can apply.

  (More chaos for elders to manage is good)
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  Phizzy - As always my friend, your intellect and compassion still shine on this forum.

  Sadly the concept of any novel approach to leaving a cult goes straight over the heads of armchair critics and back porch haters.

  While we await their superior solutions, we wade through post after post of "...can't, never, worthless, won't, not me, nope, haha,..."

  Not a single original idea from even one of them...waiting....still waaaiting...

  "It is not a letter of DA, nor a letter to the elders, it is a persons' private exercise of their Human Rights.-"

  The sentence above is from that older post you found.

  It is a complete explanation of what our signed document is and is not. In all the intervening months not a single naysayer-not one.... even figured out why you might want to avoid the use of a Letter of Disassociation or whether or not 'Human Rights" means anything at all at an actual Human Rights Tribunal. (yes its' a real thing)

  On one of todays posts I suggested that our little document of emancipation might spark some positive "..self- awareness among the elder body.." The reply was, and I quote "-uh?"....talk about lack of self-awareness !

  I remember this forum as a hotbed of humor, sarcasm, wit , intelligent banter and serious discussions.

  I followed and read ever page of Coftys' 120 page challenge to defend 'Natural Evil' - Classic Cofty.

  It was on this forum I learned the phrase "intellectual dishonesty" and realised that was the term which applied to my first inklings that the WT was 'not as advertised', I had been 'inkled' at a district convention years earlier.

  This forum (Cofty again?) ran a series of posts regarding logical phallacies, and introduced me to critical thinking.

  Now it galls me to introduce an original idea that may have broader application to just Jws - rabid evangelical families, Mormons, Muslims ,Scientologists all need a clearer quicker path for those who wish to leave.

  If '-uh?' is now an indication of the standard of communication here,.. there is not relly much more to say.
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  Jeff- good to hear fom you-

  you don't send it- you sign it, date it and keep it safe!

  You are no longer an affiliate of any church since that date - why? because you stated so in a document.

  You have exactly as much legal right to repudiate church membership as they have to claim you as a (volunteer) member. Religion is a wholly voluntary interest.

  Churches ecclesiastic authority does not apply to non-members.You are now a non-member and you have written proof.

  You can continue your fade if that's your style but when the hounders become unbearable -show a copy of your emancipation and it's date, and carry on with your life as you please -visit the hall, your family whatever...